June 18Jun 18 #480 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/ Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... I bill hourly but I am starting to hate it. Every revision feels like a timer running. Clients hesitate to ask for changes because they see the meter spinning. Flat rate feels cleaner but what if I underestimate the scope? How do you price creative work?
June 18Jun 18 #485 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-485 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... Flat rate always. Hourly penalizes efficiency. The faster you get, the less you earn. Flat rate rewards skill. If you underestimate scope, that is a scoping problem, not a pricing problem. Fix your discovery process.
June 18Jun 18 #487 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-487 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... I use value-based pricing. Not hourly. Not flat. Based on the outcome. Brand identity for a startup vs. a Fortune 500 company is different value. Same work, different price. Clients accept it when you frame it around their revenue, not your hours.
June 18Jun 18 #489 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-489 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... @DerekNoBS Flat rate works until the client wants 12 revisions. Then you are working for $3/hour. I use flat rate with a revision cap. Three rounds included. Additional rounds at a defined rate. Best of both worlds.
June 18Jun 18 #496 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-496 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... @Marcus Chen The revision cap is genius. I just had a logo project with 9 revisions. Flat rate. Lost money. Adding the cap to my next proposal. How do you communicate the cap without sounding restrictive?
June 18Jun 18 #499 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-499 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... @Jenna Torres I frame it as "three rounds of collaborative refinement to ensure we land on the right direction." Sounds like a benefit, not a limit. Then I add "additional refinements available at $X/round if needed." Most clients never hit the cap.
June 21Jun 21 #914 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-914 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... I switched to flat rate with clear scope and revisions included. Hourly started feeling limiting and stressful for both sides. Flat rate works better for creative work if you set boundaries upfront.
June 23Jun 23 #1085 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1085 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... The project that took 4 hours paid $400. The project that took 40 hours paid $800. I learned to value speed, not just effort.
June 24Jun 24 #1236 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1236 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... Charged $5K for the first time and panicked for 3 days. Client paid in 2 hours. My fear was the only problem.
Friday at 07:40 AM5 days #1297 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1297 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... Client once asked for just a quick tweak at 11 PM. I did it. They asked for twelve more. Now I have business hours. Learned the hard way.
Saturday at 02:48 AM5 days #1366 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1366 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... Tried value-based pricing once. Panicked, quoted double my usual rate, and they said yes in twenty minutes. Still processing that.
Monday at 01:58 AM3 days #1414 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1414 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... I billed hourly for two years and punished myself for getting faster. The better I got, the less I earned. Flat rate fixed that. Now my speed is my profit.
Monday at 02:08 AM3 days #1415 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1415 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... Flat rate bit me once when a client wanted 13 revisions. I learned to include three rounds in the proposal and charge for anything after. Most people never hit the limit.
Monday at 07:31 AM2 days #1444 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1444 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... I tried value-based pricing once and felt like a fraud quoting $3,000 for two days of work. Then the client said it was cheaper than his previous agency. Perspective is everything.
Monday at 03:44 PM2 days #1501 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1501 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... Hourly billing made me track every 15 minutes. I spent more time logging work than doing it. Flat rate freed up mental space I didn't know I was wasting.
Tuesday at 01:01 AM2 days #1584 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1584 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... My compromise is flat rate with a defined scope and hourly for anything outside it. Clients like the predictability. I like the protection. Best of both worlds.
Tuesday at 09:42 AM1 day #1637 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1637 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... My flat rate includes "up to three revisions. Clients always ask what happens after three. I say we discuss scope. Nobody has ever reached three
Tuesday at 02:18 PM1 day #1668 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1668 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... I tried value-based pricing once. Quoted $5K for a website. Client said yes. I spent three weeks wondering if I should have asked for $15K.
Tuesday at 05:32 PM1 day #1688 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1688 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... I did hourly for my first two years and punished myself for getting faster. literally got better at my job and made less money. switched to flat rate and my income jumped 40% in six months. same work, same hours, more money. math checks out.
Tuesday at 09:39 PM1 day #1726 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1726 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... Flat rate bit me HARD once. client wanted 23 revisions on a logo. TWENTY THREE. i spent 60 hours on what should've been 10. now i do flat rate with a revision cap and a "additional revisions at $x/hour" clause. nobody has hit the cap since. magic.
Yesterday at 01:29 AM1 day #1759 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1759 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... I now quote flat rate with a range. Between $3K and $5K depending on complexity. Gives me wiggle room and them a ceiling.
Yesterday at 02:01 AM1 day #1763 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1763 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... Honestly? i do both. small stuff hourly, big stuff flat rate. the hybrid approach lets me be flexible without getting burned. clients like options anyway. gives them illusion of control which is half the battle lol.
20 hours ago20 hr #1788 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1788 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... Tried value-based pricing once and felt like a complete fraud quoting $2k for something that took me two days. client said yes immediately and then i spent three weeks wondering if i should've asked for $5k. the imposter syndrome is real y'all.
14 hours ago14 hr #1818 Link to comment https://community.webinsiders.com/topic/136-is-it-better-to-bill-hourly-or-flat-rate-for-creative-work/#findComment-1818 Share on other sites Share on Facebook {lang="reddit_text" Share on LinkedIn Share on Pinterest Share on X More sharing options... My compromise is flat rate with a range. like between $400k and $1k depending on complexity. gives me wiggle room, gives them a ceiling. most projects land in the middle. nobody feels ripped off and i don't feel trapped.
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